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 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 4:42 PM on Fri, July 16th, 2021

I posted the original story when information technology happened most two years ago, but I can't find that thread so I idea I'd recap it and add some new info.

Frist off, first D-Day was September 10, 2001. We R'd obviously, she did the counseling thing, and a lot of individual work to endeavour and improve herself. All was adequately well.

Until.

October 15, 2019. Second DDay. Though I have no evidence of actual physical contact, there is certainly evidence of an EA. I caught a FB Messenger message from him to her with some very sexual language. At the finish of the day, I should have held out longer and congenital up more intel and then I had a clearer agreement of what was happening. Just I didn't. Things seemed to get better (I plant a few "How to Improve a Broken Relationship" blazon websites pulled up on her phone for example) and eventually I got over it.

Flash forrad to July 3, 2021. Her contact with OM had been through a summer school program in which she works as a teacher aide, he is the gym teacher. When I found out he would exist there again, I said nothing (she doesn't know that I know), and began to detect. I wound up catching a FB bulletin from her to him with very suggestive content. He blew her off, though, which actually made me chuckle. I have really come to believe he sees her as a friend and doesn't want to become involved with her (she'south l and about 15 years older than he is). I base this on some of the messages from the previous episode (she told him I'd be on an overnight camping ground trip and he never responded to that, when she said I had plant out he told her "We are friends" a few times but she didn't seem to want to hear that.)

Anyway, I'm non completely done yet, but I can meet it from here. Given the magnitude of the life change, I need to KNOW. I'm setting upwards my intel network. VAR, GPS, electronics passcodes etc. I want as shut to incontrovertible proof equally I can have before I pull the trigger.

I've also been reading upward on and taking notes on divorce law in my state. I will be contacting lawyers too. I've a few friends who have been recently divorced and I will be hitting them upwards for any advice too.

Any advice or thoughts, guidance, heartfelt comments, or reality checks would exist greatly appreciated.

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/xv/19, 7/3/21, 2/11/22.I'yard impaired, but I do learn somewhen.Starting D ASAP.

Thumos ( fellow member #69668) posted at 4:48 PM on Fri, July 16th, 2021

Is this the same OM from 2001 or a different one? Either fashion, information technology'south bad juju. I used to be a piffling more hardline on "divorce right now" but at present I tend to try to be a little softer because I think reconciliation can and does happen for some people. That said, in situations like yours, I think it would be practically insurmountable:

Option 1 - she's been conducting a twenty twelvemonth human relationship and has fabricated your entire marriage a complete farce.

Selection ii - she's a serial cheater and you just happened to catch her this time, making your entire marriage a complete farce.

Serial cheaters are notoriously bad prospects for reconciliation. Someone conducting a two-decade affair would take to rank upwards very high on that same scale for being a actually bad candidate for reconciliation. Adultery is abuse. So she's been abusing yous for twenty years.

EDIT TO ADD: I don't know why at this phase you'd want to get through the entire marriage police "spy vs spy" stuff. You know more than than enough. Your WW can't keep her panties on effectually other men, doesn't desire to, and has no intentions of being faithful to you.

If you're seeing an attorney, maybe simply become alee and file and cut through the Gordian's knot in i clean piece of the sword.

[This message edited by Thumos at ten:52 AM, July 16th (Friday)]

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. The greater the force per unit area, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character'due south essential nature."

BH: fifty, WW: 49 Wednesday: Feb.'96 DDAY1: 12.xx.sixteen DDAY2: 12.23.19

asc1226 ( fellow member #75363) posted at 4:53 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

If he'south no longer interested what are you trying to find? More than of her striking out with him? She'southward already pushed past what I would assume were agreed upon boundaries. This is continued infidelity. If that's your line you lot don't need whatsoever more.

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CuriousObserver ( fellow member #78743) posted at 4:55 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

so pitiful you are here once again.

If you don't want her finding out y'all should be carful about talking to others about it. People talk. It sounds similar you are done. If and then, you don't need more prove. You can just deed. A PI is still an option for the all-time evidence. You have to inquire yourself what you lot want. If y'all want evidence to daze and awe to shake her out of information technology and hopefully R, keep digging. If you desire testify to D, you don't demand it.

Practiced luck to you.

Listen to their words but believe their actions.
The power of a lie is that it is believed to exist truth.

This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at four:58 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

I need to KNOW.

What exactly practice you need to know? That she is trying to crook? That you don't love her? That she isn't committed to your G anymore?

If you lot don't want to be married to her because she isn't giving you her all, you don't need more evidence of cheating. I mean, you should exist open up and transparent with each other. If you lot are both dissatisfied, but finish it. There is zip incorrect with ending an unhappy Grand. Y'all don't have to accept proof to do that.

Love is not a mensurate of capacity for hurting you are willing to endure for your partner.

jb3199 ( fellow member #27673) posted at vi:34 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

If you lot don't desire to be married to her because she isn't giving you lot her all, you don't demand more evidence of adulterous. I mean, you should exist open and transparent with each other. If you are both dissatisfied, just cease it. There is nothing wrong with catastrophe an unhappy Chiliad. You lot don't have to take proof to exercise that.

Exactly. What is it that YOU desire? If she started excavation deep over again to try to get to the lesser of her bug, would yous nevertheless want to stay? Or is the damage already too severe?

THERE IS NO WRONG Reply. Every bit long equally you are trying to bargain with reality.

BH-50s
WW-50s
2 boys
Married 28yrs.(together over 30yrs.)

All work and no play has but cost me my wife--Gary Puckett
D-24-hour interval(s): Enough
Accepting that I tin can/may finish this union 7/2/fourteen

 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at half-dozen:34 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

Thumos - nope, different guy from 2001.

As to what I'm waiting for, well I become from "fuck information technology, nosotros're done" to " well, mayhap...." ofttimes enough that I know I need to have it striking me in the face hard enough, and it hasn't nevertheless.

I also feel like I don't want to put my kids through it (fifty-fifty though they are older) unless information technology's pretty cut and dried.

There is a part of me that ghoulishly enjoys hearing her on the VAR bitch almost the latest development - he'southward unfriended her on facebook (he unfriended a lot of people in the terminal day or 2, aye I snoop at that place besides). And she's not too happy well-nigh information technology.

And I know this isn't going to go over well, just she's been going through what I would telephone call a "mid-life crisis" over the final year or so. She also lost her Mom back in November, and we are having the funeral tomorrow. She is taking it VERY hard. Ii days after her mom passed, nosotros lost my Dad. Over the next 3 weeks, she lost two uncles. Then information technology was Christmas. And then my family has been hit hard with a lot of shit recently. I know that is affecting her deeply. So somewhere in the back of my mind, I feel there may be a chance that this is a symptom of those events. And mayhap, I desire to create a little more space betwixt the losses nosotros suffered and the pain that a divorce would create. I guess I'm willing to take one for my kids and other family members, suck information technology up, and hold out a bit longer earlier pulling the trigger.

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/15/19, 7/3/21, two/11/22.I'thousand dumb, just I practice acquire eventually.Starting D ASAP.

 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at six:40 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

Exactly. What is it that YOU want? If she started digging deep over again to endeavour to get to the bottom of her issues, would you nevertheless want to stay? Or is the damage already too severe?

THERE IS NO Wrong Reply. As long as you are trying to deal with reality.

Today, now, my answer is "I don't know."

Information technology may exist different in a few days or a few hours. If she reacted the way she reacted in 2001 - very remorseful, went into IC on her own accord, answered every question I asked, and gracefully handled the piles of anger I heaped upon her over the months that followed, I may be willing to stay.

Simply if she blows information technology off as no big deal, or tries to weasel out of it and accepts no fault, or tries to pivot information technology all on me, then it will probably be game over.

I'm dragging myself to the end line here. It'south not easy after 26 years to simply give upwardly, and the depth of the love I've had for this adult female over most of the length of our union has been almost frightening.

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - 9/10/01, x/15/19, 7/three/21, 2/xi/22.I'one thousand dumb, but I do acquire somewhen.Starting D ASAP.

 wantnomore (original poster member #71871) posted at 6:43 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

If he's no longer interested what are y'all trying to notice? More of her striking out with him? She'southward already pushed past what I would assume were agreed upon boundaries. This is continued infidelity. If that's your line yous don't need any more.

If I admitted that I detect her hit out with him immensely satisfying on what is probably a deeply childish level, would that be and so bad? A little gallows sense of humor earlier the death of our marriage?

[This message edited by wantnomore at 12:45 PM, July 16th (Friday)]

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - nine/ten/01, ten/15/19, 7/3/21, two/xi/22.I'grand dumb, but I practice learn eventually.Starting D ASAP.

asc1226 ( member #75363) posted at seven:13 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

It's not easy subsequently 26 years to just give up

You're not the 1 who's giving up. Is there whatsoever doubt that if he was at all receptive that she would be with him every take chances she got? Unless she's a psychopath she has an idea of the impairment and pain her prior infidelities accept acquired y'all. At present after a loss instead of turning to her husband she'due south turning away from you and picking up the same old knife she used before.

I'd become my ducks in a row, if she doesn't come up make clean of her own accord by the time you're prepare to file, then file.

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 7:thirteen PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

I'd be concerned with the attempt to make contact again. I'd be concerned well-nigh her non telling you he'due south around.

My reco is to keep working to figure out what you want. If y'all desire R, there'll be a lot more yous have to do, but you can relieve yourself all that endeavor if you determine y'all want D.

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sexual practice ap
DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
You don't have to like your boundaries. You only take to set and enforce them.

Thumos ( fellow member #69668) posted at viii:11 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

There is a part of me that ghoulishly enjoys hearing her on the VAR bitch virtually the latest development - he'due south unfriended her on facebook (he unfriended a lot of people in the last day or two, yeah I snoop there too). And she's not as well happy almost it.

You may think you'd like to hear a conversation but trust me y'all don't. Ask me how I know.

You accept plenty of data. Yous know she is a serial cheater. The odds are that she's been adulterous throughout your twenty years together after the first DDAY. This is simply the first instance you caught on over again thanks the plague of "social media"

I'd say that is pretty cut and dried.

"Truthful grapheme is revealed in the choices a man makes under pressure level. The greater the pressure level, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the graphic symbol'due south essential nature."

BH: fifty, WW: 49 Wed: Feb.'96 DDAY1: 12.20.xvi DDAY2: 12.23.19

Never2late ( new member #79079) posted at 8:xiii PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

So when your family unit member dies you didn't endeavor to bang some other woman? Odd.

Also, y'all would NOT be giving upwardly. It is really her that has crapped on the relationship with at least 2 infidelities (that you know of).

Was non a stipulation of your first R that this must never happen again? Was the last an EA, PA or both?

This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at viii:16 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

My wife's EA sort of involved/spanned her female parent's expiry and my father'southward death.

I tin can say dealing with that grief isn't like shooting fish in a barrel.

I practise think you should bring your doubtfulness about your marriage and its future OPENLY to your wife. Wrestling with it internally meant appearing to accept outbursts of wanting divorce. To it being a bad mood. I take since been much more clear near the how I feel, and that we need to be ok with just existence "a little further from the brink" instead of totally happy.

Honey is not a mensurate of capacity for pain y'all are willing to suffer for your partner.

leafields ( member #63517) posted at 8:l PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

My mom & FIL passed away less than a calendar month from each other. Two years later, my MIL passed. He cheated - I didn't. The deaths didn't play into his A, but his entitlement did.

My ultimatum was no more inappropriate relationships with women. He crossed the line, and I said I was done. I filed for D one week prior to our 34th anniversary.

He was never going to exist a safe partner & I wasn't willing to police force him for the balance of my life. I'm so much happier now.

BW, Dday 1: 2/18, Dday 2: eight/19, D last ii/25/21

 wantnomore (original affiche member #71871) posted at 9:02 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

There is a role of me that ghoulishly enjoys hearing her on the VAR bitch about the latest evolution - he'due south unfriended her on facebook (he unfriended a lot of people in the last day or two, yes I snoop there too). And she'due south not also happy well-nigh it.

Yous may think y'all'd like to hear a conversation but trust me y'all don't. Ask me how I know.

I hear what you lot are saying, but that may exist the wakeup call I need to push button the needle.

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - 9/10/01, 10/fifteen/19, seven/three/21, 2/11/22.I'm dumb, merely I do learn eventually.Starting D ASAP.

 wantnomore (original affiche member #71871) posted at 9:04 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

Was non a stipulation of your first R that this must never happen again? Was the last an EA, PA or both?

I honestly don't know if the last one was EA or PA, only based on my observations and best evidence I could find, information technology was only EA.

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - 9/x/01, 10/xv/19, vii/iii/21, ii/11/22.I'm impaired, but I do learn eventually.Starting D ASAP.

 wantnomore (original poster fellow member #71871) posted at 9:05 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

I do think you should bring your doubt about your wedlock and its future OPENLY to your married woman. Wrestling with it internally meant appearing to have outbursts of wanting divorce. To information technology being a bad mood. I take since been much more clear virtually the how I feel, and that we need to exist ok with just being "a picayune further from the brink" instead of totally happy.

This is an excellent suggestion, when the dust settles a scrap, I'll start the conversation.

Me: BH (56)Her: STBXWW (51)DDays - 9/x/01, 10/15/xix, 7/3/21, two/11/22.I'm dumb, but I practise larn somewhen.Starting D ASAP.

AnOminousMan ( member #79091) posted at nine:14 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

Anyway, I'thousand not completely washed yet, but I can see it from here. Given the magnitude of the life change, I need to KNOW. I'm setting up my intel network. VAR, GPS, electronics passcodes etc. I want as shut to incontrovertible proof as I can have before I pull the trigger.

Stop punishing yourself. Yous already know everything you demand to about the fact that, at the very least, she is attempting to crook on you. Again. The chances that she hasn't cheated on you consistently since the first D-Day are small.

This really how you lot desire to spend the balance of your life? Playing cop to an indifferent cheater? Why wait at all when you know she's washed it in the past? Wasn't there a nix tolerance policy in place after the outset time she cheated? Why do you need certainty when y'all know she'south a cheater?

I empathize when a person doesn't want to accuse someone earlier proof. But that only makes sense if they have never cheated in the past. She has. And honestly, she wouldn't exist engaging in any activities that would even hint at cheating if you both truly were in R. Yet she keeps doing it. Retrieve that'southward meaning?

If you love me, you volition go along my commandments. (John fourteen:xv)
My story doesn't really matter. I had it way easier than almost.
The just affair that matters is can yous stare into the mirror and like what you encounter.

TheWrongOne ( member #78753) posted at 9:20 PM on Friday, July 16th, 2021

Some cheaters go a taste for cheating. Information technology becomes similar cocaine to them. Your wife and my wife might be sisters.

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